7 Responses to “Will citizens of CA be next in defying land and water grab by the Feds?”

1. Sandy Beach
   May 10th, 2014 @ 6:11 pm

   “Now Feds are dumping billions of gallons of water into the sea”
   Where is this happening? Do you have more information? A link/source? Thanks.

2. Sandy Beach
   May 10th, 2014 @ 6:35 pm

   “Now Feds are dumping billions of gallons of water into the sea”
   I have been searching and all I could find (so far)
   Oil rigs dumping billion of gallons of fracking waste off California coast with OK from feds

   Wastewater from offshore drilling is being dumped into the Pacific Ocean off the coast of California, and it’s apparently legal.

   Oil rig operators have federal permits to dump 9 billion gallons of hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, waste into the ocean each year – enough to fill more than 100 football stadiums.

   Federal regulators signed off on minor revisions to permits that allowed the oil company DCOR to begin fracking off the coast without completing any environmental reviews, according to a TruthOut report.

   At least 12 rigs off the California coast inject potentially dangerous chemical into undersea rock formations to break them up and more easily extract crude oil, reported KCET-TV.

   About half of the fluid pumped into those wells during hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, is pumped back out again as wastewater.

   https://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/28/oil-rigs-dumping-billion-of-gallons-of-fracking-waste-off-california-coast-with-ok-from-feds/

3. dr_taitz@yahoo.com
   May 11th, 2014 @ 7:26 am

   congressional hearings this week, speech by congressman Tom McClintock from central CA

4. dr_taitz@yahoo.com
   May 11th, 2014 @ 7:35 am

   clearly we do not need dangerous chemicals and there should be a study on this, but Congressman McClintock talked about dumping of clean water into the ocean, not allowing to use it for irrigation, as the EPA wants to dilute this water to help a specific type of fish, roe smelt

5. Sandy Beach
   May 11th, 2014 @ 12:00 pm

   Thanks. I found “H.R. 3964: Sacramento-San Joaquin Valley Emergency Water Delivery Act”
   It passed in the House on Feb 5, 2014.
   https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/113-2014/h50

   Prognosis – 28% chance of being enacted
   https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr3964

6. courage
   May 11th, 2014 @ 6:38 pm

   CA would appreciate all the EXTRA water that Portland OR is blessed with…

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   Samples taken from reservoir test clean after man urinates in water
   By Associated Press and Kerry Tomlinson, KATU News Published: Apr 17, 2014 at 12:50 PM PDT Last Updated: Apr 17, 2014 at 8:34 PM PDT

   Samples taken from reservoir test clean after man urinates in Mt. Tabor Reservoir in Portland.

   Reservoir discards 38 million gallons of water after man caught urinating in it
   PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — The mix of 38 million gallons of treated water and one teen’s urine has proven unacceptable to Portland officials who plan to flush away the whole lot — the second time in less than three years the city has gone to such lengths to keep its water pure.

   In June 2011, the city drained a 7.5 million-gallon reservoir at Mount Tabor in southeast Portland after a man urinated in the water supply. This time, water from a different reservoir at the same location will be discarded after a 19-year-old was videotaped in the act of urinating.

   “The basic commandment of the Water Bureau is to provide clean, cold and constant water to its customers,” bureau administrator David Shaff said Wednesday. “And the premise behind that is we don’t have pee in it.”

   The open reservoirs hold water that has already been treated and goes directly into mains for distribution to customers.

   Portland Water Bureau spokeswoman Jaymee Cuti said Thursday that test samples of water taken from the reservoir came back clean.

   Shaff knew the urine posed little risk — animals routinely deposit waste without creating a public health crisis — but said the city has plenty of water to meet demand and he didn’t want to serve water that was deliberately tainted.

   “There is at least a perceived difference from my perspective,” Shaff said. “I could be wrong on that, but the reality is our customers don’t anticipate drinking water that’s been contaminated by some yahoo who decided to pee into a reservoir.”

   The discarded water will be drained into the sewage system, eventually reaching a treatment plant before it’s dumped into the Columbia River.

   Shaff said he made the decision to flush it because Portland has more water than it can possibly use right now. He said the reservoirs are full with billions of gallons of water, and 100 million gallons are rushing past the Portland system in the Bull Run River every day. He said it’s no problem to use some of that water rushing past to flush the reservoir.

   “We have the luxury of having so much water and so much supply that I can deliver all the water my customers want, without me having to deliver water that’s been tainted, deliberately tainted,” he said.

   Shaff said people as far away as Georgia have called to complain about his decision, some even calling for his resignation, believing he is wasting water in a time when water is precious.

   “People from around the country are thinking, ‘Oh, my, gosh, how can you afford to just dump 38 million gallons of water? We’re in a drought here in Texas, we’re in a drought here in California,'” said Shaff. “But we’re not in California.”

   Shaff said the water itself will not cost the city anything. The only cost, he said, will be employees’ time. (courge adds factor in the cleaning cost)

   “It’s a relatively easy decision to make,” said Shaff. “It’s not a decision people understand, but it’s an easy decision to make.”

   The incident occurred shortly after 1 a.m., when Water Bureau security personnel noticed three men on camera at Mount Tabor Reservoir No. 5. One was seen on video urinating through an iron fence, officials said. Minutes later, two other young men attempted to scale the fence.

   The three men, whose names have not been released, were cited for trespassing and excluded from Mount Tabor Park. A 19-year-old was cited for public urination.

   The Multnomah County District Attorney’s Office will decide whether to pursue criminal charges.

   The kidney-shaped reservoir built in 1911 is drained for cleaning each spring and fall. The spring draining was done about three weeks ago, the Water Bureau said.

   The reservoir is one of five that the city is in the process of replacing with underground storage to comply with federal regulations.

   Floy Jones, co-founder of the group Friends of the Reservoirs, criticized the decision to drain the reservoir, saying there’s no evidence any urine reached the water and it wouldn’t harm anyone if it did.

   “It’s extremely wasteful,” she said.

   The man who urinated into Portland’s water supply in June 2011 eventually pleaded guilty to misuse of a reservoir and was sentenced to community service.

   https://www.katu.com/news/local/Samples-taken-from-reservoir-test-clean-after-man-urinates-in-water-255675851.h

7. bacsi
   May 11th, 2014 @ 10:25 pm

   There seems to be a slight confusion here over the use of the term dumping. That makes it sound as if tankers are filled with fresh water from California which then go out somewhere in the ocean and either dump it over board or pump it down into fraking wells.

   Following Sandy Beach’s link for bill 3964 this appears to be concerned with maintaining stream flows in the face of low water conditions and human needs for irrigation and public and industrial consumption. The use of the term dumping is rather mis-leading unless it is thought rivers and stream have been needlessly and thoughtlessly dumping water into the ocean for all of these millions and possibly billions of years.

   The west coast of the United States can generally be viewed as an area of high rainfall running along the narrow strip between the coast and the western slopes of the Coastal Range. On the other side between the eastern slope of the Coastal range and the western slope of the Rockies is an area of semi-arid desert with a few areas of genuine desert such as the Mojave. Lots of people want to live in California because of the climate, but there isn’t enough fresh water to support such a large population. While I am not a tree hugger I do love the outdoors, and certainly understand the need to maintain practical stream levels even at the discomfort of those who do nothing to address their need for fresh water except to demand everything for their own use. If water is so important then make arrangements to get more, the ice berg supply or solar desalination plants scenario is not far fetched, if people want water bad enough it can be done, so do it. It certainly makes more sense then the idiotic demand of drying up all the streams or digging a canal or laying pipe to divert the Columbia river that is resurrected every few years.

   This isn’t to say the bureaucrats haven’t totally botched things up and needlessly or deliberately harmed the farmers, that is probably true, but the answer isn’t to destroy the riverine ecology. The answer lies in the thoughtful and logical use of our ability to reason and work together for the good of all the world we live in.

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