28 Responses to “the picture of the plane in the water looks different from the picture in a video relating to death of Loretta Fuddy, we need depositions, discovery to get to the truth”

1. The Truth
   February 23rd, 2014 @ 6:51 pm

   After reviewing Lang’s photo closely, I noticed a shadow of the upward opening door on top of the plane. So what we are looking at is just an optical illusion. We are just seeing the side of the upward door, which makes the back window look like it’ s opening outward.
   The real question’s are: where are the people, and why did they leave the door open after everyone was out. Wouldn’t anyone with a brain close the door in order to lock the air inside and keep it afloat as long as possible?

2. Sandy Beach
   February 23rd, 2014 @ 7:28 pm

   The bottom half of the door opens down and makes the steps to enter/exit the plane. It would be underwater. I am not sure you could lift it while you are in the water also.

   There is more information and comments to this story at Free Republic
   https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3126226/posts

3. Jackson Donaghue
   February 24th, 2014 @ 3:42 am

   > Wouldn’t anyone with a brain close the door in order to lock the air inside and keep it afloat as long as possible?

   When you’re escaping a drowning airplane, just about the last thing you’ll care about is closing the door behind you. *duh*

   In fact, had they closed the door, you’d probably claim that proves it was all staged because nobody could possibly that calm and controlled.

4. The Truth
   February 24th, 2014 @ 9:44 am

   Hey Jackson,
   Duh? Really?
   I guess you would be one off the dummies that would have stayed floating in the water for over an hour too, waiting for help to arrive, when you were so close to shore.
   The pilot’s face was also reported to be cut and in need of stitches. Do you think blood might attract sharks? Would you be one of those “panicked” passengers who couldn’t think straight and just bob there, with blood in the water, away from a plane that was still afloat? The whole story STINKS, just like your comment!

5. The Truth
   February 24th, 2014 @ 10:00 am

   In other words Jackson, some people with a brain, might be smart enough to get the door closed and sit on top of the floating plane while they wait for a rescue.

6. D.C.
   February 24th, 2014 @ 11:40 am

   Yeah, looks like Pauly Jackson is back and still has a foggy brain!

7. js/js
   February 24th, 2014 @ 6:08 pm

   Gee, Jackson. Don’t you have any pity or mercy
   for the dead? Poor Loretta, RIP. She felt
   that the obots and trolls would protect her.
   Instead, they killed her in a staged and planned
   murder. Even mixed jet fuel with regular Cessna
   fuel. Murder just don’t cut the mustard, with
   lots of us. IMO. Huh?

   Book em, Danno.

8. Paul Jackson
   February 25th, 2014 @ 9:46 am

   Sorry to disappoint you, D.C., but I’ve never posted here by any name other than Paul Jackson. “Jackson Donaghue” is correct in this instance, but is not me.

9. D.C.
   February 25th, 2014 @ 2:21 pm

   oh, well, I guess you are forgiven…Naw! You’re still a jerk! And so is that poster named Jackson!

   You people seem to breed like rats, when it comes time to see all the garbage you post!

   Take it to some left-wing site that sucks on this babbling!

10. Denise
    February 25th, 2014 @ 5:52 pm

    Not only are the window’s different, but the doors as well. The door in Lang’s photo opens to the side and the other plane’s door opens upward.

11. js/js
    February 25th, 2014 @ 6:35 pm

    Agreed, Lots of fraud in those Cessna photos.
    IMO, as usual SOP. What do you expect of Obot
    criminals and murderous trolls? Huh?

12. Saachi
    February 25th, 2014 @ 7:28 pm

    Cessna 208A Grand Caravan

    Entry to, and exit from the airplane is accomplished through an entry door on each side of the cabin at the pilot
    and front passenger seat location and through a TWO-PIECE AIRSTAIR-TYPE DOOR ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE AIRPLANE JUST AFT OF THE WING. A large cargo door is also provided on the left
    side of the airplane directly across from the airstair door. All doors can be opened with the flaps up or down.
    The left crew entry door incorporates a conventional door handle, key-operated Medco door lock, conventional interior door handle and window with a small triangular
    foul weather window. The foul weather window
    may be opened for additional ground ventilation. The right crew entry door incorporates a conventional outside
    and inside door handle and a manually operated
    inside door lock. A 4 inch deep x 5 1/2 inch Kydex storage area is incorporated into the interior width of both the left and right crew doors. Both doors have a maximum
    width of 35.65 inches and a maximum height of
    44.75 inches and will open 180 degrees forward to latch
    against the side of the fuselage.
    The passenger entry door consists of an upper and lower section. WHEN OPENED, THE UPPER SECTION SWINGS UPWARD AND THE LOWER SECTION DROPS DOWN PROVIDING INTEGRAL STEPS
    to aid in boarding or exiting the airplane. The door opening
    is approximately 24 inches wide and 50 inches high.
    https://www.cessna.com/~/media/Files/caravan/grand_caravan_ex/grandcaravansd.ashx

13. ivan
    February 25th, 2014 @ 7:42 pm

    Folks, we need to adjust how we look at that picture. What APPEARS like a door at the very end is actually the window – and above it, as just a sliver of dark, is the SIDE EDGE of the up-turned door….the SHADOW of that same door is seen all lengthened across the top of the plane.
    So, since the air photo was taken from above the plane in the water we can see the roof of that plane with the long door shadow across it. We don’t see more than the very side EDGE of that up-turned door, and that edge from the camera angle appears to be over the last window (making it look not like a window).
    From the long shadows, that photo must have been taken later with the sun lower. People are already picked up.

14. dr_taitz@yahoo.com
    February 26th, 2014 @ 12:52 am

    no, it is not a shadow, the pictures are distinctly different. However, I do not believe that the photograph is a hoax, I believe the video is a hoax

15. Taki Telemides
    February 26th, 2014 @ 12:52 am

    Orlytaitz,

    Have you contacted you Congressman about Loretta Fuddy and Barack Obama’s birth certificate?

    Perhaps he or she could help.

16. Jen in Texas
    February 26th, 2014 @ 4:26 am

    Loretta Fuddy and your dignity died that day.

17. Todd
    February 26th, 2014 @ 6:47 am

    Dr Taitz

    I was reading recently about Loretta Fuddy and Obama’s mom connection with the Subud cult and the leader Mohammed Subud, now after seeing some pictures of Mohammed Subud, I can say our President looks just like him and nothing like Obama Sr. All facial features but the hair appears to make BHO and Subud look really close more than Obama to Obama Sr.

    Is it possible that Subud is Obama’s real father or there was a real Barack Jr, maybe he was swapped with a kid of Subud or Obamas mom cheated on Obama Sr and had a kid with Subud?

18. dr_taitz@yahoo.com
    February 26th, 2014 @ 6:52 am

    My congressman is Dana Rohrabacher, I had a lengthy conference with him and 3 of his long time aides, he talked to others, but no results so far

19. dr_taitz@yahoo.com
    February 26th, 2014 @ 7:56 am

    anything is possible

20. Dee Dee
    February 26th, 2014 @ 9:54 am

    Check this out, a diver is in the water next to Fuddy! https://accidentalpatriot4.wordpress.com/tag/loretta-fuddy-accident/

21. Don B.
    February 26th, 2014 @ 1:48 pm

    In the Lang photos, the antenna appears to be a round pod located aft of the wing. In the other photos, the antenna is two fins located along the centerline of the wing.

22. js/js
    February 26th, 2014 @ 7:07 pm

    As stated before, Murder Most Foul! Poor
    Loretta, RIP. Victim of the Obots and Trolls.
    IMO. Book em, Danno!

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    February 26th, 2014 @ 8:30 pm

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24. Saachi
    February 27th, 2014 @ 6:28 am

    Dr. Taitz – Wondering what your ‘put’ is on the article that #20-Dee Dee posted – (by Butterdezillion??) – – due to allergies my eyesight surely isn’t as keen as it could be, however, it appears to me that there was a diver in the water near Keith Yamamoto and/or Loretta Fuddy. ????

25. dr_taitz@yahoo.com
    February 27th, 2014 @ 6:31 am

    I asked about this shadow before, I am not sure, I hope Judge Wingate will finally order discover, then we’ll know

26. Saachi
    February 27th, 2014 @ 10:33 am

    A Response to “Bitterdezillion” – – To: butterdezillion
    I’ve been asked by a Freeper neighbour to sign up to add something to this thread, and this may well be my first and last post! As a qualified dive master with over 25 years of experience, including working in dive schools in Egypt, Thailand and BVI, I think I can help here. As an occasional lurker I’ve seen a few threads on the Fuddy story, but it was too silly to take seriously so I didn’t really pay close attention. But at my friend’s request, I looked at the “diver” photos.
    Butterdezillion, please take this advice because it is kindly meant and demonstrably true – ask any diver. No diver assasin would enter deep water without the most basic diving equipment – namely a flotation device (jacket with integrated regulator), mask, snorkel, flippers, octopus ect. It would be suicide and against every regulation ever written. Whatever you saw had none of these things, so could not have been a diver.
    Anyone wearing an air tank with no flotation device would drown in seconds. This single fact is all that is required to dismiss this theory.
    Nothing else about shoes, or clothes matters. If the figure you think you see has no flotation device, it is impossible for it to be a diver. I think it would help if you could acknowledge this information, to stop others spreading this rumor. It’s been damaging to your personal reputation according to my neighbour, so now would perhaps be a good time to put it to bed. Thanks for all you do – but this is a losing hand.

27. js/js
    March 1st, 2014 @ 3:41 pm

    Butter sticks by her story. Has some truth to it. Wait and see, IMO. Images are deceiving,
    but murder is NOT. IMO.

28. Sandy Beach
    March 2nd, 2014 @ 12:36 pm

    js/js, Butter doesn’t think Fuddy was murdered. Butter doesn’t even think Fuddy is dead.
    https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3126226/posts?page=775#775
    Butter wrote –
    You want my theory?

    My theory is that the people on board are decent people who would not watch an assassin kill Fuddy. They have kept quiet because they believed what was done was necessary to protect Fuddy – to put her in protective custody, so to speak. And I believe that’s what happened. I believe the extras were there to make sure everybody was safe while Fuddy was retrieved, with either a dummy or another person left there in her place to be the last person picked out of the water. I believe she was taken somewhere to live out the rest of her days under a different identity, just like the Benghazi witnesses were given new identities to keep them away from Congressional investigators. So what I’m suggesting here is nothing bizarre; we already know it’s been done for multiple people to keep them unavailable to investigators.

    Obama’s people are very likely to know what Arpaio has on Obama. Just like they knew what happened in Benghazi. And in Fast & Furious. And in the Bin Laden raid. And in Extortion 17. And in the IRS targetings. And in the Boston bombing. And in the Morsi election. And in the Kenyan election. Etc ad nauseum. This is the kind of stuff that this regime does, and there is nothing radical about just coming out and saying that’s how these people operate.

    There was a woman there who looks so much like Fuddy that I spent quite a bit of time trying to figure out which one it was. I suspect that she and/or a purplish inflatable filled in for Fuddy once she was taken out from under her life jacket, and perhaps the Fuddy-like woman filled in for her under the blanket while the priest did whatever he did at the care home. The “body” was transported to the Molokai airport where Fuddy’s family (probably sister and brother-in-law) ID’ed the body. The brother-in-law said he was helping out on the ground there in Kalaupapa when he found out there was a family member involved, but the MCFD incident report does not name Scotty Schaefer and though I’d have to check again, IIRC it doesn’t mention EMS from Molokai Hospital, which I believe is who Schaefer works for. The reports said MCFD flew the victims to Molokai (or Maui, depending on which news report is referenced).

    I didn’t worry about the funeral at first because I figured if she was still alive they would either claim to have cremated her or have a Hollywood-style mock-up of her in a casket. And if she was dead, then she was dead – which was what I initially believed. But there was something goofy with that funeral, or KITV would not have had to photoshop the casket with her hands showing. In any event, the mourners would not have had to think anything was different than usual – either if they had a mock-up or if they had an urn.

    Most, if not all, of the people in that plane knew there were extra people in the water. I suspect that at least some of them were in the plane’s cargo area and exited while Puentes held his hand over the camera making a lot of dark frames that could be edited out later with nobody being any the wiser.

    None of the others acted very surprised. None of them said anything about it afterwards. But there the people are in the video. (And there’s more coming) Puentes was prepared with 2 GoPros and a waterproof microphone that he clipped onto his life jacket. Richard Kawasaki, the media liaison for the MCFD, was prepared with his story of one dead – 4 minutes before the Coast Guard was confirmed as being on-site and I think 20 minutes before anybody at the MCFD even knew how many the USCG had picked up – and Fuddy was the last one they picked up. If they picked her up; they claimed to have picked up 3, but the 73-year-old woman, Kawasaki, and the 70ish-year-old man make 3 without Fuddy.

    In short, I believe this was a planned crash with people arranged to be there to keep a close watch and keep everybody safe. I believe the photography may have been to prove that they did not kill Fuddy, and that they did their jobs to keep everybody safe. With those extra people in the water it is clear that something was up, and if I was any one of those passengers I would want video to prove that I did not kill Fuddy. The edited video was supposed to satisfy all of us, or at least provide a way for the media and other “concerned” people to ridicule anybody who still claimed the Fuddy death was suspicious. But there was so much going on – so many extra people to try to avoid, so many things we were supposed to be kept from seeing, and only so much film. As a result, some things got left in there that nobody was supposed to see because it was dark and zipped by too fast for anybody to see.

    I bet they were laughing their buns off at using that video as proof against the “conspiracy kooks”, wiping our faces in the fact that they can even turn evidence against them into evidence against us. Just like they did with the fake long-form and the verification that actually verified that Obama’s BC is legally non-valid. That is just how these people ARE. They mock truth every chance they get. You’ve seen it.

    So. That’s what I believe.

    775 posted on 3/2/2014 12:08:14 AM by butterdezillion (

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