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I need copies of the registry

Posted on | June 1, 2009 | 13 Comments

  Nellie
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Look at

https://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_1.jpg

This claims to show the relief of the seal showing through on the front of the page. Notice that there are words directly above the fold on the page (so it looks like the fold is an underline of those words) but the words right below the fold don’t come until maybe a triple-space gap.
I FOUND SOMETHING!!!!

https://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_2.jpg

This one actually shows the words so you can read Obama’s name. But look at the spacing of the words directly above and below that bottom fold. They certainly don’t match the placement found on the type-obscured photo of a seal in relief. Two different documents were used – obvious by the fact that the blurred lines’ length and spacing don’t match the length and spacing on the certificate where the words can be read.

Now look at

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It is a coincidence, but I found today an e-mail from

Ron Polarik, that was sent back in January, but in thousands of e-mails i somehow missed it. He was saying that the seal on the 2007 COLB photographed by Factcheck didn’t match the other seals from 2007. I just sent him an e-mail, asking to send me pictures. Does anyone have pictures? I am trying to compare the seals.

Also, can someone make a copy of the registry in HI? I need any and all mention of BC for  Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro and Maya Soetoro. I need to see everything that is written there.

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13 Responses to “I need copies of the registry”

  1. Stephen
    June 1st, 2009 @ 2:36 am

    Sorry Nellie, I don’t see what you are seeing.

  2. Steve H
    June 1st, 2009 @ 6:10 am

    Nellie, I looked at both photos utilizing the zoom tool on my browser. Unfortunately the seal is in the exact spot in relation to the cross-hatching on both. We will need to continue searching for the answers that must be out there.

    “When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is Liberty!”
    Thomas Jefferson

  3. FreedomForUS
    June 1st, 2009 @ 7:06 am

    I do…I think you are absolutely correct…I think you have something here. Stephen, look at the placement of Obama’s name on the one certificate in relationship to the fold. Then on the actuall posted document, his name is not in the same place, use the folds as the reference. These have to be two different documents.

  4. ERIC HARTUNIAN
    June 1st, 2009 @ 8:10 am

    I, Eric Hartunian, CAN SEE the LACK of a match between the documents regarding the issues Nellie raises. Type resolution is a point. I am not sorry for seeing this.

  5. Nellie
    June 1st, 2009 @ 9:34 am

    Sorry, my cut and paste wasn’t very good.

    Stephen, look at photo #5 – the only one where both the “seal” and Obama’s name are clear. (Note that the “seal” on the bottom fold doesn’t “bend”/distort with the page fold like the circle on the top fold does. The only validating mark on that page is perfectly round, even though the page bends. It was not on that paper but was added after the photo was taken.)Immediately below the fold is the name “Barack Hussein Obama”. It’s the longest line on that whole bottom portion.
    https://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg

    Now look at photo #1 – the only photo which shows the seal actually bend when the paper folds. This is a real seal on real paper. The words are obscure so we can’t tell what they are, only where there are words.Where “Barack Hussein Obama” should be printed there is nothing. There’s no way this photo of a real seal on a page came off of Obama’s COLB. https://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_1.jpg

  6. Nellie
    June 1st, 2009 @ 10:22 am

    Orly, I sent an e-mail with the images you wanted. Tried to post them here but can’t get the images to copy.

  7. Librarian
    June 1st, 2009 @ 10:36 am

    I have created a zip file containing all of the versions of the BC that I have collected since this mystery began. I am sending the zipped file to you via email. Hope it contains something of value to you.

  8. George B
    June 1st, 2009 @ 11:13 am

    Oops! This one was made ‘before’ the ‘seal’ was added. Oh shit, better get that seal!

    https://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

    Unbelievable! Yeah, I’d say so.

    G B

  9. SR
    June 1st, 2009 @ 12:11 pm

    I’m not an expert on seal’s, but shouldn’t the seal be indented not raised? And shouldn’t it be over a signature?

    These two photos are of different documents, who are they trying to fool. It’s not even close…

    They must think we are really stupid.

  10. Nellie
    June 1st, 2009 @ 1:22 pm

    We need to find out the name of the person who was holding these documents and who photographed them, as well as who authorized them to be put on the internet. Some law enforcement agent needs to get a search warrant for the office where they claim these documents are, get the documents, arrest the people involved, and then subpoena the real COLB for the prosecution.

    Once Factcheck.org is busted it shouldn’t take long to find out who else is involved – including Obama himself.

    I can’t believe Gibbs was willing to implicate himself in documents that he has to know are forged. They must really think they can bully and stifle the entire law enforcement establishment in the nation.

  11. George B
    June 1st, 2009 @ 1:38 pm

    Well, SR whatever you think, it’s obvious the DNC think the majority voters are half-wits. After all they got Barry S/BO elected. Legal or not!

    G B

  12. Steve H
    June 1st, 2009 @ 11:40 pm

    George, Now that is something I can get behind. There is no seal on the copy at fight the smear. Nellie, I still believe the three photos you are showing are of the same document but, they are definitley not the same as the one at fightthesmears.com. OOOOOO…..Bambi…….looks like you got shplainin’ to do.

  13. MGB
    June 3rd, 2009 @ 3:18 pm

    I noticed this months ago, and wrote about it, on Free Republic. Here’s the deal: There’s no father’s name on the image with the bright light, where the document is photographed side to side on an oblique angle.

    Notice how clear the name is on the first image that Nellie linked to. Then look at the second one. The bright lighting blurs the words and foreshortens them because of the angle (probably deliberately, to obcure the words). But there ought to AT LEAST be two dark blotches immediately under the fold, at the far end of the image, to represent the father’s information.

    My guess is that the image with the flat seal (no bend) is fake. The father’s information was added later, as was the seal. All done digitally.

    The first image may be the original document, with a legitimate seal, whether the COLB belongs to BHO or not.

    If it does belong to him, for some reason the father’s name is absent.

    I read somewhere that when a person requests a Hawaiian COLB, the only information that is printed on the COLB is the exact same information that the person put on the request. Therefore, if someone requested a COLB for Barack Hussein Obama II, born August 1961, to Stanley Ann Dunham in Honolulu, then that’s all that will show up on the COLB. That is, no father will be listed because the person did not supply the father’s name on the request.

    So if someone intends to hide certain data that’s on their original long form birth certificate, all they have to do is to leave that information out of their request for a COLB, and the printed COLB will not show that data.

    IF such a person would later decide to use that COLB to create another COLB with more complete (but possibly bogus) information, such as a different father or a different place of birth, then this could be done, given the technology we have at our disposal these days.

    The original could be scanned, and a new document created from it, after adding in the missing information and digitally adding a seal.

    These photos are very suspicious because who would photograph a document at such an oblique angle?

    Why not photograph the ENTIRE backside, instead of posting cropped images from the reverse side, showing only the seal and the registrar’s stamp?