Posted on | September 9, 2009 | 18 Comments
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Dear Orly,
I was only one of many who appeared at the courthouse yesterday hoping that you would make some progress in your case against Barack Hussein Obama.
However, one of your co-counsels, believed to be Mr. Kreep, has lived up to every letter of his name, because he could not agree with the other co-counsel on this/your case in which you are apparently representing 4 dozen co-plaintiffs.
Based on yesterday’s events it is clear that you are going to have to release Mr. Kreep completely from this/your case if you plan on being successful and not jeopardizing this/your case in its entirety, and I certainly hop that you are going to pay attention to everything Judge Carter told you.
Also bear in mind that it is you, and only you, that is the attorney out front and that you and only you finalize any decisions for the successful outcome of your case, which at the present may be dismissed, and at the next Hearing there will be no room for any mistakes on your part or the part(s) of any “attorneys” who are supposed to be on your team, and have no business jeopardizing you or your reputation, which you have worked hard to maintain as is proven by the 46 co-plaintiffs retaining you to represent them in this important matter.
Therefore start “watching your back” and get ready to be the main and only attorney in this matter, and cross-check your co-counsel(s).
AWP
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September 9th, 2009 @ 5:41 pm
Here’s an intereseting read about details of the case that was posted on one of the patriot websites group discussions
https://www.scribd.com/doc/19547316/Keyes-v-Obama-Motions-Hearing-8SEP-2009
September 9th, 2009 @ 6:31 pm
Just a thought on “Standing” issue with the millitary related to Judge Carter’s thought about the case…..
This issue must be resolved. Our military must know that their Commander In Chief is eligible and give lawful orders.
To ignore such a consideration will continue to create “injury” and further court inquiries on our military me and women.
September 9th, 2009 @ 6:46 pm
I agree that Kreep is trying to take over and the Judge is not yet aware.
Maybe you can completely separate your presentations, and not “share” anything more than materials. Just let him have his day and say and work his own approach, and proceed with your own approach despite anything he says.
God’s will be done, Orly. Do not waste sleep worrying about it. There may be a reason you cannot see that God has “pushed Kreep” into your case.
Be professional and do not make a public stink. There may be a different relative point that Kreep will make that will strengthen the case, and actually having the story repeated by another lawyer will strengthsn the story.
If God hands you a lemon, make lemonade. Figure out Kreep’s strengths and use them, and do no let him overrun you, which I do not think he could if he tried.
We all know who pulled this together, so do not worry that we think Kreep is in charge. He might add fuel to the fire, though, and strengthen your own arguments, showing another lawyer willing to get in the fight. Wiley Drake and Kreep think they know best…at least they are willing to fight, and maybe they can fight down the hill a little, during their own session, and then stay out of your presentation!!
I have learned that odd things can actually happen for a reason we do not understand, until we look back.
One thing, as lead lawyer, you should open and close the arguments. If Kreep tries to take over that, then you might be able to explain the history of the situation and the Judge can split you both apart and hear you separately.
God will guide you, Orly/Joan of Arc
September 9th, 2009 @ 8:12 pm
i agree.. do not let anyone sidetrack you.. some of these lawyers are not above selling you out to obama if they can… i personally wouldnt trust any of them
i dont know how this creep guy got involved and why the judge put him with your case but if there is any way GET RID OF HIM…
and thanks for all you have done for this country so far..
god bless you
will
September 9th, 2009 @ 8:17 pm
Dear Dr. Orly-Obama’s multiple social security numbers drive me nuts. While I was reading about them on another web-site it made me remember some “stuff”.
This was after I moved to Florida from Chicago suburbs and after Hurricane Andrew which would put it in the 92-94 range. My bosses from New York were teasing one of their Saudi business friends, because his father a Saudi sheik had him fly back to Saudi Arabia during the bombing in the first Gulf War. Who could forget something like that. We were worried, but Harry wasn’t worried at all-flying while country getting bombed weird. The name I knew Harry by was Harry Jetwani. At that time the Saudi’s were purchasing a lot of real estate in Florida. One night I had to work late and Harry called from the bank-he needed some information about something, we got to talking and suddenly he says guess who my neighbor is? I’m like I don’t know Harry he said Tammy Faye Baker, so that will give you some idea where he lived about that time. Another thing that was weird about the company I worked for corporate office for mini marts-open all the time but no customers yet they have all kinds of money????weird weird weird money laundering? a front for something. Anyway after the bankruptcy I was cleaning out old records-all of the executives had triple military clearance. This is all I know, none of it ever made sense to me, either. By their education and certain ways they talked (lawyers) if I had to guess it was a “sting” operation of some kind. I hope this helps anything that you might have going on with a possible Obama/Saudi connection, strange social security numbers all over the place.
September 9th, 2009 @ 9:24 pm
I fear that the forces of darkness are doing what they can to undermine from within; and that the fate of 100’s of millions hangs in the balance; whatever decisions you consider making, my dear lady liberty, please consider the bigger question; Attorney Kreep, we need your mature patriotism, not your unprofessional behaviour, as all history wil lay upon your shoulders the evil consequences of any misbehaviour you muster in this case..ask yourself if you love country more than yourself, and if you do, shape up; if not, ship out…!
September 9th, 2009 @ 9:56 pm
The favor of God is on you Orly. GO GET EM!
September 9th, 2009 @ 10:07 pm
Kreep in name only, tailgater is more appropriate
September 9th, 2009 @ 10:40 pm
Dr.Orly I think it is good advice for you to watch your back.Remember Mr Obama has allot cronies out there doing his bidding.You must protect your case(s). This Creeps guy,how well do you know him-his background.? You must understand that Obama will try to get at you from Every direction possible.Even through stealth,as we can see(Look what Obama has done) they can do more damage from the inside your circle than outside of it.Understand?Be very careful who you allow to even speak to ,or address the court.It’s too important to let your guard down for even one moment.
We’re on your side.Please be careful.
BTW,Standing is it not true that every American due to the wasteful spending,increased deficits,stimulus we all objected to that adds dept to our suffering economy and increasing taxes on every human being in this coutry without our consent-against our will-?Doesn’t that give all of us standing.Not to mention the corruption,radicals and communists taking apart our economy refusing us information or explanation to where our money is being spent,insults and attacks against citizens etc..I could go on & on.But We’ve all ben harmed by This president and his administration.All Of Us.Isn’t these themselves cause or standing?
September 9th, 2009 @ 11:18 pm
Kreep is irrelevant. His “case” revolves around whether or not Obama was born in the US. Discovery is going to take care of that. If no BC is produced or one from Hawaii is produced that says he was born in another country, the case is over. there is no need to continue. If, however, Hawaii produces a valid Hawaii BC, his case is over. So he is like a bothersome gnat. Either way, if he relies on the BC as his basis for his “case”, he is never going to make it to trial.
September 10th, 2009 @ 3:33 am
Orly, I am concerned about any stipulations Judge Carter put into place to prevent Obama and his lawyer goons from tampering with evidence while we await the trials in Oct and Jan. The judge has given them a long “heads up” period. They have lots of time to wreak havoc leading up to the hearings. Did the judge account in some way for this possibility, such as put a “freeze” or restriction of some sort on accessibility of docs?
September 10th, 2009 @ 11:55 am
If I were Obama, and I had not yet puchased El Kreepo, I would dispatch my smartest goons to California with a sack full of money.
September 10th, 2009 @ 11:57 am
If I were Obama, and I had not yet purchased El Kreepo, I would dispatch my smartest goons with a sack full of green to California immediately
September 10th, 2009 @ 2:40 pm
Dr. Taitz,
Have you seen this?
https://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/14583
The Theory is Now a Conspiracy And Facts Don’t Lie
This is very important, and I’m not sure if you knew this. I will email this to her also, but if anyone knows how to get this to her in a better way, by all means do.
By JB Williams Thursday, September 10, 2009
September 10th, 2009 @ 9:00 pm
BOB, go to;minutemanpac.com( video achiveves?) If the Kenyan ambasador doeasn’t lie, he confirmed in a interview, that 0bama was born in Mombasa9 according as he said 0bama’s paternal grand-mother???
September 11th, 2009 @ 2:11 am
It sounds like that creep Kreep would be easy to pay off. My husband and I both think BO’s goons got to him, and now he’s working on the inside for the wrong side. Why else would he show up unannounced and unexpected? He could blow the whole case!
Orly, you are much smarter than Kreep. You have a lot of help from other lawyers now, too. I’m betting you can out fox him easily. Just expect the unexpected as long as he is around. Stay on your toes. Watch your back. Be careful. God bless.
September 12th, 2009 @ 12:04 am
With or without the BC,Obama is not eligible
Article From URL:
https://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/08/25/the-holy-grail-of-potus-eligibility-law-review-articles-mr-obama-and-mr-arthur-meet-attorney-george-collins/
The Holy Grail of POTUS Eligibility Law Review Articles: Mr. Obama and Mr. Arthur… Meet Attorney George Collins
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Rarely, when conducting legal research does one find a historical document that is directly on point. But even more rare is to find a document which is directly on point multiple times. But that’s exactly what has happened this week. A historical document which destroys every bogus point being made by Obama POTUS eligibility supporters was recently discovered by a cracker jack team of university students from UCONN. They call themselves UNDEAD REVOLUTION.
They have been sending me good stuff for quite a while now. A wonderful contributor to comments at this blog – Kamira – is part of that team. This group is preparing the mother of all natural born citizen research reports based upon their unique historical document discoveries. It will be guest blogged by them right here when it’s ready for public consumption.
But for now, and as a lead in to their work, I offer you one of their superb historical finds. It’s an article from The American Law Review dated Sept./Oct. 1884. The American Law Review was a premier legal journal – the brain child of Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendel Holmes.
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This was not a law school publication. It was considered to be the state of legal art which utilized the most esteemed attorneys of the period.
The article I am about to show you was published in The American Law Review, written by George D. Collins, Esq. Attorney Collins was the Secretary of the California Bar Association. His name was recognized nationally for cases in the federal courts and moreso due to his regular publishing of articles via The American Law review.
The article I am excited to bring you is titled:
ARE PERSONS BORN IN THE UNITED STATES IPSO FACTO CITIZENS THEREOF?
The article provides historical opposition for every single point raised by Obama eligibility pundits and destroys all propaganda in its path.
The article is written in a clear and concise manner, easily understood by lawyers and lay persons alike. I will now introduce each relevant issue confronted in this article and then present the article in full for your review.
OBAMA POTUS ELIGIBILITY MYTHS DESTROYED BY MR. GEORGE COLLINS
MYTH #1: Chester Arthur’s British birth was known and accepted by the American people.
This article was written in Summer 1884, while Chester Arthur was still President. Since The American Law Review was such an esteemed legal publication, old Chester must have been somewhat intimidated by the report of Mr. Collins. This is because the article makes perfectly clear that to be a natural born citizen one must have been born to a US citizen father.
Chester’s father William was not naturalized until 1843, 14 years after Chester was born. This meant that Chester Arthur was a British subject at birth and was therefore not eligible to be President as was first reported at this blog back in December 2008.
It has been argued that Chester Arthur’s occupation of the White House set a legal precedent for Obama since both Chester and Barack were born of British fathers. But the public – at the time Chester was running for VP and later when he became POTUS – never knew that Chester Arthur was a British subject since he successfully lied to the public about his parental heritage.
The law review article goes into great detail concerning the issue of who exactly rises to the level of natural born citizen. It discusses law cases and legal precedent in its analysis, but it does not even mention the current President – Chester Arthur – even though Attorney Collins steadfastly denies that a person born on US soil to an alien father could be a natural born citizen.
If Attorney Collins – esteemed lawyer, Secretary of the Bar Association and nationally known legal journalist – had thought his current President at the time this article was published – Chester Arthur – was a British subject at birth, then the article would have required a discussion of that point.
But the article does not mention President Chester Arthur because Chester Arthur managed – through blatant deceit – to cover that issue up. He successfully concealed his British birth from the American people. This law review article is proof of that conclusion.
MYTH #2: Lynch v. Clark ( a New York State case, not federal) is legal precedent for Obama to be considered a natural born citizen.
Despite the fact that state court cases have absolutely no legal weight of authority in federal court, Obama eligibility supporters cite this case often. Attorney Collins tears the decision to shreds and exposes its faulty conclusions.
MYTH #3: Common law states that being born on the soil – Jus Soli – makes one a “natural born subject” and therefore every person born on US soil is a “natural born citizen”.
Attorney Collins takes this on directly and establishes clearly that there is no common law in the United States. He also explains that natural born citizens are in no way, shape or form, the same as natural born subjects.
MYTH #4: Vattell’s definition of a natural born citizen was not considered by the framers.
Attorney Collins discusses Vattel in great detail. And Collins agrees that to be a natural born citizen one must be born on the soil of parents who were themselves citizens. Collins quotes Vattell.
But more important is the fact that Collins makes it clear Vattel’s definition of “natural born citizen” was not actually Vattel’s definition.
This is very important.
The definition of “natural born citizen” was not created by Vattel in his treatise, “Law of Nations.” That treatise simply discussed the established body of law known as “the law of nations”. The definition of natural born citizen discussed in Vattel’s treatise was actually the definition established by the body of law known as “law of nations”.
Attorney Collins makes all of this quite clear in the article below. Now please review Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution:
The Congress shall have power…To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the Law of Nations;
The capital letters are not in reference to Vattel’s treatise, but they are in reference to the body of law Vattel wrote about – the actual “law of nations”. And that body of law – according to Attorney Collins as well as Vattell – held that a “natural born citizen” was somebody with connections to the nation for having been born on the soil as well as having been born of citizen parents. In Article 1, Section 8, we therefore have a direct recognition that the framers respected the law of nations.
DOUBLE ALLEGIANCE TO THE NATION
This is what the framers required for the Commander In Chief. Any child of immigrants from any nation could become President – as long as his parents became naturalized US citizens before that child was born on US soil. In their wisdom, the framers sought two generations of US citizenship. This discriminates against no race at all.
To be an American has nothing to do with race. It has to do with being a person cloaked in liberty – free from monarchy, free of repression, free forever.
The natural born citizen clause does not establish a superior form of citizenship. It does establish a national security safeguard against foreign invasion of the White House and takeover of the US Armed Forces.
It makes all the sense in the world that the person who holds the keys to the massive nuclear arsenal in our possession should be born on US soil to parents who were citizens.
If we allow persons born in the US of alien fathers to be President of the US then Kim Jong Il, Osama Bin Laden and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are all eligible to have their direct offspring become President of the United States and Commander In Chief of our Armed Forces.
That is what you are saying if you think Obama is eligible to be President.
You can’t discriminate based on race or nationality in this country. If a person whose father was not a US citizen at the time of his birth can become President, then it doesn’t matter what nation that person is a dual citizen of.
This is the main issue and main reason why I have dedicated so much of my time to this situation. I am no more worried about Obama than I was about Bush or Clinton. I see all of them as having struck horrific blows against US sovereignty. But I am seriously worried about who comes next. Who is being groomed as a Manchurian candidate as we speak?
If Obama is eligible to be President, then the sons of every despicable despot are also eligible.
It’s not like North Korea, Saudi Arabia or Iran are going to let the sons of US citizens lead their countries anytime soon. Are we really going to allow their sons to lead our nation? The framers would never have allowed such a horrific situation to exist. With the natural born citizen clause they protected us against this very scenario. We must protect the protection.
A legal fraud is being perpetrated upon this nation through ridicule and straight up major media propaganda.
The great weight of authority indicates Obama is not eligible to be President, but we are losing the PR war.
I recognize arguments which take issue with some of the conclusions below. But the point is urgently made that this issue is not settled and has never been directly adjudicated by a federal court. Such adjudication is the necessary outcome of this debate.
I hope the following piece of history serves as a wake up call to the snarky sarcasm being leveled at this very serious legal question. There is nothing funny about this issue. The repercussions for generations to come are potentially disastrous.
And with that I leave you with the Holy Grail of all natural born citizen law review articles:
Are Persons Born Within the United States Ipso Facto Citizens Thereof – George D. Collins (URL Below)
https://www.scribd.com/doc/19071886/Are-Persons-Born-Within-the-United-States-Ipso-Facto-Citizens-Thereof-George-D-Collins
The PDF File:
https://www.scribd.com/document_downloads/19071886?extension=pdf&secret_password=
September 14th, 2009 @ 4:38 pm
God Bless YOU! Dr. Orly! 🙂 YOU are a wonderful Patriot! 🙂 Prayers for strength for YOU! 🙂