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More on Natural Born Citizen and dumbing down of America

Posted on | July 24, 2010 | 2 Comments

Jim

“Perhaps you are just worried he will point out the things you state as fact are nowhere to be found in the Constitution, like having Citizen parents, or other that if if he were Muslim that this would not make him ineligible. ”
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Sigh!!!! Just more evidence of the dumbing down of America. From Article II of the Constitution:

“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;”

The grandfather clause is put in there for an obvious reason. The founders could not qualify as natural born since their parents were not citizens of the United States at the time of their birth. There was no need to define what natural born citizen was since it was well known to the writers what it meant. If natural born citizen meant the same as citizen, the clause would have just read :

“No person except a Citizen, shall be eligible to the Office of President”

There would be no need for the distinction between the two. There is further evidence of what the founders knew to be the meaning of natural born. You just have to look at the Naturalization Act of 1790 – written by the same people that wrote the Constitution :

“Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,:

That any alien, being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof…… and thereupon such person shall be considered as a CITIZEN of the United States. And the CHILDREN of such persons so naturalized, dwelling within the United States, being under the age of twenty-one years at the time of such naturalization, shall also be considered as CITIZENS of the United States. And the CHILDREN OF CITIZENS of the United States, that MAY BE BORN beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as NATURAL BORN CITIZENS”

Broken down it is quite simple.

Any alien residing within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years may become a CITIZEN

The children already alive at the time of the naturalization of their parents, become a CITIZEN

Children BORN to US CITIZENS ( in this case and the purpose for this act – out of the jurisdiction of the United States ) become NATURAL BORN CITIZENS , not CITIZENS. There is clearly a distinction between the two. The key being that BOTH parents are US citizens.

Further proof can be seen from the Naturalization Act of 1795, which among other things removed the words “natural born” from children born overseas.

“And be it further enacted, that the children of persons duly naturalized, dwelling within the United States, and being under the age of twenty-one years at the time of such naturalization, and the children of citizens of the United States born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as CITIZENS of the United States”

The reason the 1795 Act was passed was because during the 1790’s many in the U.S. were concerned that the growth in the number of political refugees, particularly those driven out by the revolution in France, might prove harmful to American liberty. Also in this act of 1795, we see the importance of complete allegiance to the United States for all people naturalized, as this is the first appearance of the oath of allegiance “to renounce forever all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty whereof such alien may at that time be a citizen or subject.” This reinforced the fact that the founding fathers wanted a “natural born citizen” to have no other claim to his loyalty except that of the United States of America. At that time, British ships were boarding American ships and seizing American citizens and conscripting them into the British navy if they were born overseas in the lands under British rule. By British law, they were British Subjects – even if their parents were American. This act removed the words natural born from children born overseas of American parents, so that no other potentate could lay claim to this person, and thus establish a presence of influence in the Executive Branch. It was the intent of the Founding Fathers to“naturalize at birth” these children, but not give them the status natural born citizens.

Answer from Orly:

Jim, you are absolutely correct. Bastille day, French revolution July 14, 1789 was the start of large immigration from France, hence need for 1790 Naturalization act.  Piracy by Great Britain in seizing our sailors necessitated the 1795 Naturalization act.
Today, mass invasion of 30-40 million illegals and Obama’s push for their amnesty necessitates a revision of the 14th amendment and an opinion by the Supreme Court, whether 14th amendment envisioned giving citizenship to children of illegals and providing for them all of the benefits of free education and social services, which has bankrupted the treasuries of most states and which is pushed by a few billionaires, who want to continue employing cheap labor, but providing for their welfare at our expense. Unfortunately a bunch of useful idiots on the left don’t understand that this scheme robs them and their children as well. We need to throw out of office all of the corrupt and paid of congressmen, judges and of course President who commit this treason to American people.
As far as dumbing down of America, it is true as well, though most of those critics on this blog are from Politijab, 86% Canadians. So, these are not dumb Americans, these are dumb Canadians, they are not voting anyways, who cares what do they think.

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2 Responses to “More on Natural Born Citizen and dumbing down of America”

  1. Steve
    July 24th, 2010 @ 9:42 am

    The was a valid reason for the Presidencial clause to be written just as it was written.
    The natural born citizens were born after the Constitution was adopted and did not normally become President until 45 to 50 years after they were born. You would have to look for date of birth and where they were born for each President to know if the were qualified.
    The Citizen of the United States embodied in the Constitution which applied to people residing in the United States at the time the Constitution was adopted had a limiting factor. If anyone in this group were alive today they would have to be at least 223 years old. Naturally anyone in this group today are deceased and have been for at least a 150 years. The only part of the Presidential Clause which is applicable today is the natural born part of the Presidential Clause.

  2. Steve
    July 24th, 2010 @ 3:13 pm

    The natural born clause in 1790 Naturalization Act showed a lack of understanding of the Law of Nations which made anyone born of 2 citizen parents of a Nation a natural born citizen, contridicted the Presidetial clause and Law of Nations and showed a lack of understanding of the English Common Law which made aliens of children born outside of the Kings domain of natural born subjects. Therefore, the 1790 Naturalization Act had to be amended to delete the natural born clause. Also, the Congress had authority to pass naturalization Acts not to amend the Constitution without following preceedure outlined in Constitution.
    Aliens born outside legal precedure of Common Law could not inherit property and it was quite a procedure to remove the stigma of an alien and to be able to inherit property. You had to go to court and then get Parliament to pass a special act to remove the problem which I would guess was a very expensive precedure. I do not know how many Naturalization Acts have been passed by the British Parliament but 1773 British Naturalization Act passed just before the revolution was the 5th.

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