A message to me from the Obama camp published in Examiner.com: if the court rules for her and Orly Taitz wins, Obama’s lawyers will argue that the article 2, section 1, clause 5 is unconstitutional, it discriminates against the people not born in the U.S. My answer “Bring it on boys, I am ready to argue!”
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Attorney Orly Taitz, Russian immigrant and leader of the “Birther” Movement
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February 17th, 2013 @ 10:27 am
GO ORLY GO
February 17th, 2013 @ 10:28 am
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February 17th, 2013 @ 10:31 am
TeaParty.net now joins the day of resistance on Feb. 23
February 17th, 2013 @ 10:33 am
February 17th, 2013 @ 10:46 am
We are supposed to keep the Contstitution that way because of foreign influence. Tough, is all I can say. Run for President in your own country. We do not want you heading up our government with your foreign influence.
If your own country does not want you, why would you think this Republic would. Take it somewhere else. Take a hint. You are not what America needs or wants.
February 17th, 2013 @ 10:48 am
We have some better American citizens here from foreign countries than the leftist/Socialist/Marxist’s who were born here and decided to be treasonous. These people, though they are great citizens, are not eligible either. They can play as important of a role in our government without being President. Just because that seems like the best seat in the house does not necessarily make it so. We have a Constitution and we should abide by it.
February 17th, 2013 @ 10:49 am
What kind of imbeciles would argue that anything in the United States Constitution is UnConstitutional!! If it’s found written the United States Constitution it is therefore Constitutional and the Law of the Land. It is also to go threw the Constitutional Amendment process in order to change anything written in the Constitution. For any that do not understand how that works look at the Constitution and look for Article V. and seeing what it takes, that is not going to happen just to keep in office post-fact or Ex-Post-Facto.
February 17th, 2013 @ 10:51 am
If the comments by the Examiner are true re: Article 2, et al: what Obama’s attorney’s would argue, then this is an admission that Obama WAS NOT born un America! Their discrinmation argument would hold no water for at least two reasons: 1. It is clearly Constitutional and fundamental and, 2. It doesn’t clear him of forged documents and the fraud he perpetrated on America! It is still Fraud at the end of the day!
February 17th, 2013 @ 10:53 am
What will their argument be for a criminal forged SS #?
February 17th, 2013 @ 10:54 am
Those who are making so much noise against our Constitution have an agenda and that is to destroy this country. They need to be ignored until they get abusive and then kicked to the curb where they are nearer the gutter they climbed out of.
February 17th, 2013 @ 11:11 am
It’s stunning how devoid of logic this article is. You’re right Dr. Taitz…If this is what they got BRING IT ON!…
February 17th, 2013 @ 11:14 am
The Framers established these qualifications in order to increase the chances of electing a person of patriotism, judgment, and civic virtue…https://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/2/essays/82/presidential-eligibility
February 17th, 2013 @ 11:19 am
hang the bitch now and be done with it….
February 17th, 2013 @ 11:22 am
If this is an accurate/true statement of arguments/positions given against Orly’s arguments it shows how desperate Obama’s people are to destroy our Constitution. How can any person in right mind and decent intent argue that ‘something explicit in the Constitution is un-Constitutional’? The Obama people are promoting a cause that would turn the Constitution inside-out. Maybe all the politicians, military and judges who have been slushing USA money in personal overseas accounts such as the Vatican Bank wouldn’t mind such a transformation for our Founders government but I have a feeling such would not set well with true citizens.
February 17th, 2013 @ 11:28 am
More like bring it on Girly Boys!
February 17th, 2013 @ 11:41 am
linda, I thought we were talking about Barack, not Michelle.
February 17th, 2013 @ 11:43 am
ihv anyone know how many people had to die in order to establish our constitution??
i wonder now how many will have to die to protect it from the likes of our govt today?
will
February 17th, 2013 @ 11:48 am
That response to Article 2 of the Constitution, is typical of the constitutional scholar that is in the White House. He thinks the constitution is something that he can manipulates according to his desires and whims. Until this guy is in a cell in Fort Levenworth, we would have to be dealing with this type of arrogant behavior for four more years.
February 17th, 2013 @ 12:02 pm
Uhh, that link given by James Smith says “persons born within the United States are ‘natural born citizens’ and eligible to be President. That says nothing at all about both parents being citizens. Is James Smith on our side or not?
February 17th, 2013 @ 12:04 pm
The day you argue a case before the Supreme Court will be the day that Unicorns fly through the sky farting pink cotton candy.
February 17th, 2013 @ 12:07 pm
and you know your stay has already been denied. You didn’t do anything that you have told the people foolish enough to believe you that you did. There are bloggers writing how you argued your case before the Supreme Court on Friday and that they had granted you special permission to argue your case. How do people get these idiotic ideas? From you?
February 17th, 2013 @ 12:12 pm
If you win Orly then he should be put in jail. End of story!
February 17th, 2013 @ 12:12 pm
If you win Orly then he should be put in jail. End of story!
February 17th, 2013 @ 12:17 pm
I concur with James Smith! But, I would add, not a king! Where does Obama’s loyalty lie? He lied about Obamacare, taking guns away, Fast & Furious, Benghazi, Solyndra, and Romney and who even knows what else!
February 17th, 2013 @ 12:48 pm
I say “WATERBOARD HIS ASS” and find out who ALL the Puppet Masters are!
Then send him to Levenworth!
February 17th, 2013 @ 1:23 pm
Anyone with any intelligence at all knows that everything in the constitution is constitutional
February 17th, 2013 @ 2:10 pm
First things first . . .
God will have answered our prayers only if the Supreme Court will agree to even hear the case.
Pray as you have never prayed before that they will. . .
February 17th, 2013 @ 2:15 pm
Wayne’s right! It also has an Amendment process if Americans, not Indonesians or others, want to change it…We don’t change it by fiat!
February 17th, 2013 @ 2:22 pm
A natural born citizen must be with citizen parents born in this country as well as the person running of office (President.) I do not know how they consider territories of the U.S. Cuba was once a protectorate of the U.S. before Rubio’s parents were born. I wonder how that will pan out? What is good for one is good for all. As much as I like Rubio, if he does not qualify, then we will have to look elsewhere for qualified people.
February 17th, 2013 @ 2:24 pm
Rubio’s parents are from Cuba, but they would fall into the born into a U.S. protectorate at that time. That may qualify him. Someone else may know for sure; no guessing. We will see. As I said I will kick up a fuss just as much if Rubio is not definitely qualified. WE MUST abide by our Constitution in Truth and fairness.
February 17th, 2013 @ 2:43 pm
I say hook O-Bozo up to some AC current and make him tell the truth, just like Liam Neason did in Taken to another Muzzie terrorist.
February 17th, 2013 @ 3:02 pm
According to the Supreme Court, not this one, the one that in 1875 gave the opinion of what a ‘natural born citizen’ is, in the case of Minor v Haperrsett, both parents have to be citizens.
The curious thing is, that that ruling has not been overturned in 138 years, but the present Supreme Court cannot act, until a case with ‘standing’ is brought to their attention.
In other words, they might be familiar with the requisite, but if out of the 320 million Americans, none of us bring up this constitutional issue to their attention, they are mute on this issue. Is that crazy or what ?
February 17th, 2013 @ 3:04 pm
“If you win Orly then he should be put in jail. End of story!”
And if Orly loses then SHE goes to jail! Right? RIGHT?!?
February 17th, 2013 @ 4:00 pm
The reason that the ‘natural born citizen’ are the only ones that could ascend to the office of the presidency, was to avoid having a president with a double and conflicting alliances. Why was that requirement specifically be mentioned for that particular office ?
Is that danger no longer possible more than two centuries later, of course not.
Was slavery anathema to the principles of the Declaration of Independence and the basis upon which this nation was founded, yes, and that was the reason it took a Civil War and an Amendment to derrogate that institution. Article 2, is a safety valve that is still needed nowadays.
February 17th, 2013 @ 4:21 pm
Orly, Bless you for all you have done. I pray harder than I have ever prayed in my life for you at last to be successful with the Supreme Court. If they let us down. Take it to the World Court in the Hague.
February 17th, 2013 @ 4:24 pm
These people who think anybody should be president have reasoning equivalent to thinking anybody should be able to go up to bat at a baseball game. It is offensive to them, I imagine, that people have to just sit and watch from the bleachers. Their faulty reasoning leads to chaos…where bullies run rampant over others. They are no more than playground bullies.
February 17th, 2013 @ 4:42 pm
That sounds like an admission that Obama was not born in the United States.
If Obama was born in the U.S. they would never even consider that Orly may win and certainly would not need to think of alternate defenses.
Obama is either eligible or he is Not.
February 17th, 2013 @ 4:47 pm
Orly, just watch your back. Coming from a Communist country, you know that Communist leaders don’t go down without a fight. If anything happens to you I’ll be the first in line to make a citizens arrest of Bozo. I would hope 10 million more would be there too, and I think they would be. God bless you and God, please bless the good people of the United States of America!
February 17th, 2013 @ 4:51 pm
“Bring it on boys, I am ready to argue!”
With all due respect to your courage and tenacity, no, you’re not.
I studied law under one of the best trial strategists in the country. She learned how to do this by first attaining the highest number of arrests-in-one-year that Salt Lake County has ever seen . . . when she was 15 (for not attending school). Then, after she was comfortable in courts, and was well known in all the courts, she learned what she was doing right, but more importantly what she was doing wrong.
After many years dealing with the system, she had taught herself enough to be of such value to budding young attorneys, that the University of Utah Law School asked her to be on their mock trial team. She accepted, with the proviso that she not be required to be a student (which they waived) AND not be required to produce photgraphic ID (which they also waived), something they’d never done for anybody else, she was that good.
In our private classes, held in Las Vegas over the course of a couple of years, she presented some of the videos that the National Institute of Trial Advocacy produced. They are available for anybody who’s interesed on their website and excerpts can be previewed on YouTube here:
https://www.youtube.com/user/nitavideos
their video classes are here:
https://www.nita.org/Shop#studio71
You have the guts and willingness to do what few others are ready to do. Now you need the knowledge of trial strategies and tactics that would allow you to win, for once.
I admire your spirit, I just think you need further education to become a good trial lawyer.
February 17th, 2013 @ 5:01 pm
No, Member of the Regime, you are not RIGHT. It is not a crime to sue someone in this country. By the way, your fascination with continually trying to discredit Orly only gives her more credibility. If she is so wrong and irrelevant then why don’t you go hug a tree or something instead of wasting your time on here?
February 17th, 2013 @ 5:03 pm
Isn’t it true that all we need is an honest Federal judge to give the military orders to forcibly remove IT from the White House and those orders would have to be carried out?? I can’t believe it’s this hard to get a traitor, illegal at that, out of our government.
February 17th, 2013 @ 5:10 pm
That’s exactly the argument this country needs Orly!
Bring it on… I want to hear a present day Supreme Court either abide by…. or make a case against Minor v Happerset…
If they would either further clarify 1875 and/or uphold existing constitutionality, then we no longer be right wing extremist Birthers… were either gatekeepers or wrong…?
and we are not wrong, we are just being Bullsh*ted…
February 17th, 2013 @ 5:14 pm
Rather ironic as it is PART of the CONSTITUTION, but with Justice Ginsberg poo-pooing our constitution to the foreign press, what are we to expect?
February 17th, 2013 @ 5:39 pm
I can say with certainty, that
from reading the comments on the
Petition to Congress, that if the
Supreme Court, Congress, or any
other government faction decides
that the Constitution is ‘unconstitutional’
(which as someone wrote, ‘defies logic’)
the American people will rise up in such
anger and wrath, that even God will take
notice.
There is no way that the honorable and
patriotic citizens of this country,
will ever allow the corruption of the
government to overtake this land.
It won’t happen.
Dr. Taitz will figurehead all of the
case evidence, true, and she will
as always, be the best of our voices,
but, if she is denied the obvious
ruling, so obvious that a 5 year old
can see it, and this is our last chance
to go about this legally,
then there will be a revolution that
will put the French Revolution on the
last pages of the history books.
Americans do NOT cater to dictatorship.
They do NOT cater to Communism, Marxism,
Naziism, nor Muslims, all of whom are
dastardly tyrannies, without an ounce
of humanity to them. They kill without
a batting of the eye.
Americans do not like being serfs,
slaves, nor prisoners of a tyrant.
You can bet on that. If this Supreme
Court goes awry, becomes a useless
entity, they will be ignored, and
our citizens will rise up enforce,
enmasse, taking back our country,
which has been stolen from us for
over 4 years.
Read the comments. All across the
United States, well-educated and
poorly educated, it doesn’t matter.
They are not going to lie down
and let the so-called ‘powers-that-be’
become the last word.
Not going to happen.
February 17th, 2013 @ 6:15 pm
I went looking for this article and could not find it, but I really like to know who wrote it and for a very good reason.
February 17th, 2013 @ 6:27 pm
Being born in us makes you a citizen of the us, not a natural born citizen. Read 14th amendment. They are separate categorys in article 2…anyone can be a citizen of the us like orly and my filipina wife
February 17th, 2013 @ 6:47 pm
Jules
The greatness of Dr. Taitz resides in the things that you object, for her lack of lawyerly manners. For to have one million american born lawyers, and she, with her slavic accent, be the one to pick up the banner of our fallen Constitution in this disproportionate battle, is a sign of courage, and her obdurate belief in the precepts that have made this republic great. How many thousands lawyers, born in this land, are doing the battle she is doing by herself, and in our favor ?
February 17th, 2013 @ 7:23 pm
Are the justices of the Supreme Court, so immerse in their legal briefs, and hearings, that in these 5 years they have no heard the rumbling noise, caused by the tectonic birther movement ?
By this time, if I were a justice, I would not have needed the briefs they perused last Friday, to become aware of all the evidence that have been gathered in these four years against Obama. Maybe they should leave the walls of that prestigeous building where they sit and ponder legal cunnundrums, and once in a while, mingle with the people.
February 17th, 2013 @ 9:42 pm
Smoker: eat poop and croak. You are a liar. She never said that. You know it. I know it and anyone who can read knows it.
February 17th, 2013 @ 10:07 pm
How true is this information:
The laws on the books at the time of his birth between Dec. 24, 1952 – Nov. 13, 1986 state the Presidential office requires a natural born citizen if the child was NOT born of 2 US citizens. The law further states if only 1 parent was a US citizen at the time of the birth that parent must have resided in the US for at least 10 years, at least 5 of them after the age of 16. Obama’s mother was 18 at the time of his birth. For this to be legal she would have had to been 21. She was not old enough to qualify him for natural born citizenship.
Also for his citizenship to even be legal he would had to have stayed in the US for several years to protect his citizenship yet he went to Indonesia.
What truth is there to this information.
February 18th, 2013 @ 2:45 am
Orly: first, let’s see what happens with their decision on your case, on Tuesday. Then, go from there. If they are able to do their job, then, you/we move forward.
…………
But, if not all 9 SC members got the pleadings, then, can you refile and get some prominent person (an attorney, maybe, from Congress, who can be trusted?) or someone who maybe has some real “pull”? to accompany you to hand-deliver all your pleadings and this time some how make sure the SC judges FIND OUT what the clerks have been doing and have the refiled pleadings find their way to the (whole court) for another decision? Hang tough…!
February 18th, 2013 @ 3:49 am
To “TRULY CONCERNED:”
Aren’t these called “derivative qualities” which Stanley Ann did NOT possess to pass on to Obama if born OUTSIDE of Hawaii?
In any case, a challenging read and “entertaining” when applying to it to Soebarkah/Obama/Dunham or Bounel is found at:
https://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86757.pdf
February 18th, 2013 @ 3:55 am
Of Particular Note is page 6 of above document,
section “7 Fam 1131.5-4 MATERNITY ISSUES”
“Indications of fraudulent maternity claims…”
February 18th, 2013 @ 1:42 pm
Here is another question. His step father adopted him right? His step father was Indonesian. Was the adoption done in the United States or Indonesia? Also how does the law follow adoptions from a US citizen mother and a foreign father? One would think the child that was adopted would no longer be a US citizen as it was adopted by a male in another country then went to live in said country. What is Indonesia’s adoption rules at that time period of their citizens? I know if US parents adopted out of country those children are citizens due to the adoption, wouldn’t that work in reverse with other countries? Especially as the mother a US citizen and the adopting father foreigner was married.
I’m sure all of this has been thought of before yet I am trying to understand ALL sides of this equation for the best decision to be made.